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		<title>By: Jennifer Herrera</title>
		<link>http://standupforreligiousfreedom.com/2012/jenky2/#comment-9182</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Herrera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is shocking to see how fast Americans are leaving all churches.  The Roman Catholic church has had the best schools in the nation for many years.  A religious school has the right to hire only faculty supportive of the school&#039;s religion.  Perhaps hiring too many liberals has affected Notre Dame&#039;s faculty loyalties.  The faculty at Notre Dame should, at all costs, support the church and her goals first.  More liberalism will affect the Christian population overall.  I am extremely affronted thinking when a President says, &quot;Change is needed...&quot; he meant religion should be eliminated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is shocking to see how fast Americans are leaving all churches.  The Roman Catholic church has had the best schools in the nation for many years.  A religious school has the right to hire only faculty supportive of the school&#8217;s religion.  Perhaps hiring too many liberals has affected Notre Dame&#8217;s faculty loyalties.  The faculty at Notre Dame should, at all costs, support the church and her goals first.  More liberalism will affect the Christian population overall.  I am extremely affronted thinking when a President says, &#8220;Change is needed&#8230;&#8221; he meant religion should be eliminated.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Indeap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Indeap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 02:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Thank you for the references.  I reviewed them.  
I gather that the bishops object to any requirement that entails &quot;material cooperation with evil.&quot;  The explanation offered suggests that drawing that line depends on particulars, circumstances, and such.  In other words, it is open to interpretation depending on the situation.

I suggest that we turn the question around and challenge you (and the bishops) to come up with a solution that accomplishes the following:

1.  Assures that all employees can obtain health care plans covering the full choice of services afforded them under the law.  

2.  Assures that employers have options that enable them to avoid materially cooperating with evil.
I understand that the bishops consider some of the services the law affords to be &quot;evil.&quot;  The point here, though, is not to enable the bishops to thwart or limit the law (so any &quot;solution&quot; that would do that is a non-starter), but rather to enable the law to be implemented while, at the same time, avoid requiring any employer to materially cooperate with evil.  Any ideas?

President Obama has tried more than once to accommodate the bishops concerns.  The bishops have rejected those ideas, but (as far as I have heard) haven&#039;t suggested any of their own--other than to just reiterate that they don&#039;t like the law itself.  One begins to suspect that they are not interested in an accommodation that frees employers of a moral bind, but rather prefer to use complaints about religious liberty as part of a political effort to revise the law to render services they dislike unavailable or at least less readily available to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Thank you for the references.  I reviewed them.<br />
I gather that the bishops object to any requirement that entails &#8220;material cooperation with evil.&#8221;  The explanation offered suggests that drawing that line depends on particulars, circumstances, and such.  In other words, it is open to interpretation depending on the situation.</p>
<p>I suggest that we turn the question around and challenge you (and the bishops) to come up with a solution that accomplishes the following:</p>
<p>1.  Assures that all employees can obtain health care plans covering the full choice of services afforded them under the law.  </p>
<p>2.  Assures that employers have options that enable them to avoid materially cooperating with evil.<br />
I understand that the bishops consider some of the services the law affords to be &#8220;evil.&#8221;  The point here, though, is not to enable the bishops to thwart or limit the law (so any &#8220;solution&#8221; that would do that is a non-starter), but rather to enable the law to be implemented while, at the same time, avoid requiring any employer to materially cooperate with evil.  Any ideas?</p>
<p>President Obama has tried more than once to accommodate the bishops concerns.  The bishops have rejected those ideas, but (as far as I have heard) haven&#8217;t suggested any of their own&#8211;other than to just reiterate that they don&#8217;t like the law itself.  One begins to suspect that they are not interested in an accommodation that frees employers of a moral bind, but rather prefer to use complaints about religious liberty as part of a political effort to revise the law to render services they dislike unavailable or at least less readily available to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Deacon Pete Gummere</title>
		<link>http://standupforreligiousfreedom.com/2012/jenky2/#comment-6168</link>
		<dc:creator>Deacon Pete Gummere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 02:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Faculty Cabal prevails and the Notre Dame decides to ostracize Bishop Jenky for his comments, it seems that academic freedom would truly be dead at Notre Dame. 

Bishop Jenky, as a member of the greater university community, should be accorded the same freedom to speak and to advance his perspective that a newly hired junior faculty member. 

Or does the new standard of academic freedom at Notre Dame protect liberal ideology but censorage for conservative ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Faculty Cabal prevails and the Notre Dame decides to ostracize Bishop Jenky for his comments, it seems that academic freedom would truly be dead at Notre Dame. </p>
<p>Bishop Jenky, as a member of the greater university community, should be accorded the same freedom to speak and to advance his perspective that a newly hired junior faculty member. </p>
<p>Or does the new standard of academic freedom at Notre Dame protect liberal ideology but censorage for conservative ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel C</title>
		<link>http://standupforreligiousfreedom.com/2012/jenky2/#comment-6080</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 19:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Doug&#039;s right with his interpretation. The state/nation we live in may have many actions, paid for through our taxes, which may be against our religious beliefs.
Bishop Jenky&#039;s also right. It is up to Catholics to come out, to influence the existing governance and cast their vote accordingly.
Doug, please do read/study (in some detail &amp; official documents preferably), the Catholic Church stand on abortion being the cessation of a life. Then you may agree why we say that abortion is not health care and our opposition to it is not just based on religious &#039;belief&#039;, but value of human life. Take care &amp; may God bless us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Doug&#8217;s right with his interpretation. The state/nation we live in may have many actions, paid for through our taxes, which may be against our religious beliefs.<br />
Bishop Jenky&#8217;s also right. It is up to Catholics to come out, to influence the existing governance and cast their vote accordingly.<br />
Doug, please do read/study (in some detail &amp; official documents preferably), the Catholic Church stand on abortion being the cessation of a life. Then you may agree why we say that abortion is not health care and our opposition to it is not just based on religious &#8216;belief&#8217;, but value of human life. Take care &amp; may God bless us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Muirhead</title>
		<link>http://standupforreligiousfreedom.com/2012/jenky2/#comment-6055</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara Muirhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 01:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just sent an email to Rev. John I. Jenkins, president of Notre Dame (president@nd.edu). ND&#039;s response to Bishop Jenky&#039;s honorable and truthful homily is nothing short of outrageous. I encourage others to do the same. Can&#039;t wait to see everyone at the next rally!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just sent an email to Rev. John I. Jenkins, president of Notre Dame (president@nd.edu). ND&#8217;s response to Bishop Jenky&#8217;s honorable and truthful homily is nothing short of outrageous. I encourage others to do the same. Can&#8217;t wait to see everyone at the next rally!!</p>
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		<title>By: John Jansen</title>
		<link>http://standupforreligiousfreedom.com/2012/jenky2/#comment-6050</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Doug Indeap said: &quot;As I understand it, the health law does not make you or an employer any more complicit in paying for someone’s abortion than you or the employer were complicit in killing the latest death-row inmate by paying taxes.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

Doug&#8212;

You&#039;re comparing apples and oranges.

Under the HHS Mandate, Catholic institutions would be forced to participate in -- to use a term from Catholic moral theology -- &quot;material cooperation with evil&quot;.

In response to the argument you&#039;re making -- essentially, that this is really No Big Deal -- several heavy hitters in the American Catholic intellectual world offer insights &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/02/4817&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; on &quot;The HHS Mandate, Cooperation with Evil, and Coercion&quot;.

More importantly, those to whom the teaching of the Church has been trusted -- our bishops -- have shown no ambiguity on this question.

For decades, our nation has respected the First Amendment guaranteed freedom of religious institutions by not forcing them to provide their employees with insurance coverage for services those institutions believe are immoral.

And now -- since, historically speaking, five minutes ago -- the Obama Administration has decided that religious institutions should no longer have this freedom.  That&#039;s patently absurd.

To upend the status quo as President Obama, Secretary Sebelius, et al. have attempted to do, they would have to make a thoroughly compelling case that it was wrong all along for federal law to allow, from time immemorial, religious institutions to not provide their employees with insurance coverage for services those institutions believe are immoral.

And they&#039;re not making a very compelling case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Doug Indeap said: &#8220;As I understand it, the health law does not make you or an employer any more complicit in paying for someone’s abortion than you or the employer were complicit in killing the latest death-row inmate by paying taxes.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Doug&mdash;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re comparing apples and oranges.</p>
<p>Under the HHS Mandate, Catholic institutions would be forced to participate in &#8212; to use a term from Catholic moral theology &#8212; &#8220;material cooperation with evil&#8221;.</p>
<p>In response to the argument you&#8217;re making &#8212; essentially, that this is really No Big Deal &#8212; several heavy hitters in the American Catholic intellectual world offer insights <a href="http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/02/4817" rel="nofollow">here</a> on &#8220;The HHS Mandate, Cooperation with Evil, and Coercion&#8221;.</p>
<p>More importantly, those to whom the teaching of the Church has been trusted &#8212; our bishops &#8212; have shown no ambiguity on this question.</p>
<p>For decades, our nation has respected the First Amendment guaranteed freedom of religious institutions by not forcing them to provide their employees with insurance coverage for services those institutions believe are immoral.</p>
<p>And now &#8212; since, historically speaking, five minutes ago &#8212; the Obama Administration has decided that religious institutions should no longer have this freedom.  That&#8217;s patently absurd.</p>
<p>To upend the status quo as President Obama, Secretary Sebelius, et al. have attempted to do, they would have to make a thoroughly compelling case that it was wrong all along for federal law to allow, from time immemorial, religious institutions to not provide their employees with insurance coverage for services those institutions believe are immoral.</p>
<p>And they&#8217;re not making a very compelling case.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Indeap</title>
		<link>http://standupforreligiousfreedom.com/2012/jenky2/#comment-6022</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Indeap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip,

I do not speak of the conscientious objector exemption.  The law affords every employer the option I describe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip,</p>
<p>I do not speak of the conscientious objector exemption.  The law affords every employer the option I describe.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Nachazel</title>
		<link>http://standupforreligiousfreedom.com/2012/jenky2/#comment-6016</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Nachazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug.
Please note the sponsorship of these plans comes through the owners business. Show me where the conscience clause is for Christian institutions that do not wish to sponsor,in any form the benefits being discussed.  This is The Issue!
Obamacare HHS mandate Fact Sheet can be found here in this site.

Please show us where &quot;the conscience clause,&quot; resides.  There is one very narrow exemption, so narrow in fact that as one freedom fighter put it; &quot;even Jesus and his apostles wouldn&#039;t pass the test for the narrow exemption.&quot;

Please inform us of your conscience clause in this HHS mandate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug.<br />
Please note the sponsorship of these plans comes through the owners business. Show me where the conscience clause is for Christian institutions that do not wish to sponsor,in any form the benefits being discussed.  This is The Issue!<br />
Obamacare HHS mandate Fact Sheet can be found here in this site.</p>
<p>Please show us where &#8220;the conscience clause,&#8221; resides.  There is one very narrow exemption, so narrow in fact that as one freedom fighter put it; &#8220;even Jesus and his apostles wouldn&#8217;t pass the test for the narrow exemption.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please inform us of your conscience clause in this HHS mandate</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Indeap</title>
		<link>http://standupforreligiousfreedom.com/2012/jenky2/#comment-6001</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Indeap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 04:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip,

The health law affords you the option of not doing or paying for anything you find contrary to your conscience.  It does not afford you the option of dropping out of society by not paying your taxes, assessments, and such based on choices you made.  That the government uses that money to do things not to your liking puts you in no worse position than every other taxpayer who disapproves of one or another thing the government does with &quot;his&quot; or &quot;her&quot; tax dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip,</p>
<p>The health law affords you the option of not doing or paying for anything you find contrary to your conscience.  It does not afford you the option of dropping out of society by not paying your taxes, assessments, and such based on choices you made.  That the government uses that money to do things not to your liking puts you in no worse position than every other taxpayer who disapproves of one or another thing the government does with &#8220;his&#8221; or &#8220;her&#8221; tax dollars.</p>
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